Date with an Indian Girl

I met her online and no problem getting the number, never talked to her on the phone, arranged the date via text (So it can happen) and met her at current. She was wearing her high heels as I told her and very happy to see me. Current was closed so I walked her to Vapiano and ordered a Sangria and Vodka Soda (next time I will go for vodka red bull).

Did all my stores like ducks, meeting an author and he gave me his book, anchoring about what I do, playing around with hit list movie plot where Cuba Gooding junior is a professional killer, light kino, ask about some of her logistics, her family.

It was definitely on, but I ignored her comment about being emotionally extreme. I should have negged her something like, in that case I dont know we will get along well. I noticed her body language it was positive, she asked me many questions (IOI), playing with her hair.

After we hit the hour mark, I bounced her to staples for my personal shopping. I hold her shoulder and asked her to put her arm around my waist. Then I would have told her not to gram my ass (next time)

When we were about to leave staples, I saw her checking on her phone and smiling, may be another guy, who knows. Then on the signal, I negged her with pull my finger routine, and she didnt like it at all.
So after 5 mintues she gave me a mock I'm leaving threat, but I called her back and I let it drop. Big mistake, I should have told her that, I wont react well to threaten, next time when she is leaving me hanging, you better prepare to go, I wont call you back.

Then I moved her to fragut park and within 10 minutes I went in for the kiss, she wont accept, I say its alright, I will try after 5 minutes. Then again I went in for kiss, she wont budge and I believe I got upset. Then she started reading my palm and she is very cooperative other than kissing.

Then again after 5 minutes I went in for the kiss, she wont budge again. And she asks me why did I decide to contact her. I say, 2 reasons
1. You look like a loser in your profile.
2. You are the most beautiful women I ve seen in okc and match.com combined.

She immediately get up and leave, I say metro station is right there and thats that.

To Improve
I need to watch for more of her body language
I need to concentrate more on what she is saying rather than what I'm gonna say
Qualify more
If a girl asks me, why I choose her, I have to say
Why are you bothered about my assertion, dont you know you are a great person and I assume the same and I have no doubt, thats the reason you decide to came out with me, because you think I'm not an average guy you meet everyday. If you need assertions and validation from me, then we wont be a good match. But since you ask, I will tell you for the first and last time. You are sexy, but there are many sexy girls out here and I find you interesting and 3 you are nice but I"m not sure you use your niceness to get something from others or you are genuinely a nice person.

I deleted her number from my cell, so thats that.

Number of dates this year

Online dating
1. Teacher - just first date
2. Wine maker - just first date and I didnt want 2nd
3. Law student - Just first date
4. Job seeker (which I fucked)
5. French girl - I didnt call for 2nd date
6. Indian Girl - bust
7. A date with a short girl - I wont fuck her
8. A date with a texan girl _ i didnt call her
9. Date with wisconsin girl - Still talking need to arrange 2nd date, arranged 2nd date(8 hours).
10. Date with a musician - I fucked it by biting her lips
11. Date with a lawyer - she was not interested, so i didnt call her
12. Date with a Wyoming girl - socially inept girl
13. Date with Rosie - sanfran girl - She refuse to bounce, so I'm not gonna call her
14. Date with Carissa Michigan girl - I bounced her to a hotel room on first date
15. Date with Liz, but not my type, she is little fat than I imagined.

2012
1. Date with  a short hair girl - I was overly cocky
2. Date with Caroline - John hopkins girl, I was again cocky, but I deliberately choose to be cocky since she was young (22). I didnt gauge her wave length. I need to take it down a bit if the girl is not that high energy.
3. Date with Dana, she is fat compared to the pics online.

Night game and day game
1. Indian girl - went out for 3 dates and I loose interest
2. Army return - I want to give her my seed

2013 -

Date with megan - I didnt escalate but did good qualification
Date with and Indian girl humara - Went for 2nd date -LMR.I need to push and pull sexually
Date with Roshni - Didnt call her after 2nd date, kinda lost interest

Total -

Date with a Army return

Is this an aberration or a norm?

I met her at a Indian meetup and hit it off well. She could take my cocky teasing and she had an excellent shape and as tall as me (5'8). I isolated her from the whole group of men, and build some comfort and planned a date in the pretense of going for togo dance. And she accepted.

I was scheduled to meet her on Wednesday and I send her the address on Tuesday but never heard back until wednesday around 5 so I called and left her a message to make sure the date is on.
No response!
I thought she flaked, so I texted some friends to go for day gaming and left for the gym. when I came back from the gym I had 2 voice mails and 3 missed calls, all from her. So date was on.

We met at ESL, but wednesday is not togo day, it was tuesday. But the vibe was good and we are cruising, I was touching her, eye fucking her and she is responding well. after about an hour I thought I'm ready to kiss her, So I say, "I'm gonna hit the restroom now and when I come back, I'm gonna kiss you". She said alright.

So I come back from restroom, and take her for another drink. She was totally alive then, so I kissed her after 10 more minutes. She reciprocated with zeal, and I kissed her again interrupting her when she was talking.

Then I moved her to Farragut west park and we are walking on 18th street holding each other telling stories and I could really feel its going well. When we reached 17th street, I pulled her to the shadow of a pillar near by and kiss her again.

Now we are at the park sitting on the single seat holding hands, kissing(or is it eating her face) intermittently and having a great conversation. So when its about 9, I say lets go get some ice cream near the yogurt center and we do that. She feeds me her flavor and I feed her mine. I can tell she is enjoying it and after we finish ice cream we go to Farragut metro. On the escalator down, I ask her, have you ever kissed anyone on the escalator, she says no and I do that exactly.

Then at the metro, we talk a bit and my train comes first and I leave her kissing her good bye.

In the meantime, I arrange for the second date on saturday going to occoquan a place near spring field VA, which is a water front with some old town restaurants and park. She oblige.

So I call her next day which is thursday and I couldnt get her on the phone. So I leave a voice message saying, just calling to make sure about saturday date.

Next day I login to my facebook, she has deleted me from her facebook and the funny thing is she added me to fb. I've a meetup group, she was a member of it, and I see a mail mentioning she has left my meet up group.

What the fuck just happened?

These are my thoughts
1. I kissed her way too much and didnt show restrain.
2. My body language is completely off and I may be projecting beta without me even realizing.
3. She has AIDS or herpes and she find out on Thursday

I didnt run any game, I was completely natural and talking about things I know. I was qualifying her and she was compliant. Only game question I asked was, "when did you realize that you are attracted to me", to make her verbalize her attraction.

I really cant put a finger about how to improve on myself from this situation. May be you will have a different perspective.

Do you find any way I can turn this around. I'm thinking of calling her after a week or is it too soon?
Do you think I should call her at all?
So when I call if I get a voice mail, should I act aloof or should I say something serious like "I thought I had a great time and I dont know what happened from her perspective" or something similar.
If I dont get her to call me once I left her message, should I try again. My fellow wing man say, 5 is the magic number, call every girl 5 times before giving up

Being said that, I have some 10 girls in the queue so please dont think I'm being needy here, instead I'm trying to solve my puzzle of successful on a date.

Share me your thoughts.

Day Game August 4/11

Today I went out to do some day game around dupont and fragut square.

Opened 4 girls and none of them hooked. Pretty bad, but hey I didnt had any effect whatsoever on me after these encounters.

Good
Opened girls and went out.

Improvements to be made
Approach more girls.
Talk a little bit more fast, I guess I was really slow today.
Block the girls completely ( I used to do this, but I somehow was not in front of the girls today)
Dont forget the cam

PS: One girl overheard I was saying to another girl and I hit on the girl the same girl. She said, I heard what you said to the other girl, but I did hold my frame. But still I couldnt hook the girl. well...

Failed Day Game Pick up

This saturday, I went out with a friend of mine to Pentagon City mall and talked to some females. I opened 3 girls, got one number. But I forgot to turn on the cam for the other two in the hurry, but this chinese girl I did turn on my web cam. So here it is, take a look at it and if you have any feedback, I will be very glad to hear it.


failedChinese by springhorse

Date with a french girl

Today I had a date with a french girl who grow up in canada and moved to DC for work. Met her at Okcupid and we met at my usual place Bottom Line.
Prior to the date, I send her the address of the place and asked her to wear her smile. She replied like 3 hours later with "Great, I will see you there". So I reckon she is not completely sold on the date. She also told me she deleted the profile, so may be she is seeing someone on the side, but who knows and cares.

I was at the venue 3 minutes early against my principle of going late around 10 minutes, basically because I have to leave at 8:30 and the date starts at 7.
So we met, I was sitting at the table, and I didnt break eye contact unless she looked away, which is according to the plan. But I didnt smile, which I have to do next time.
 Since she is so short, I couldnt read her body language with the legs and later when I got a chance to see it, she was crossing her legs opposite to me, which means she is not that interested.
So immediately I said I'm gonna hit the restroom and take off. When I come back, she is sitting at the same position, so I pulled my seat a little bit away and mirror her body posture away from her.
Up until that time, I was really being cocky and funny and she is also matching the vibe and I was assuming its going on well until I noticed her legs.

So I start qualifying her, to guage the interest and I asked why do you have short hair and when was the last time you wear your heels. She was little defiant about the hair but cordial about her heels.

When the date hit 1 hour mark, I bounced her to the nearest park where I usually make my kiss close. So we are at the park, sitting close and I see she is not really comfortable sitting very close to me, but I didnt pretend it bothers me at all. And about 10 minutes in I asked her, have you ever kissed a guy in the park and she said yes. So I say " Ok lets try that again" and go in for the kiss, and she says no. So I say, "Its alright, I will ask you again after 5 minutes"

So I tried 3 times but I couldnt kiss her, but I can see her interest level going high after each attempt in a way she is looking at me differently. When it hits 8:30 I said I have to go and left. On the way walking together, I said " I will protect you from the bus" which is about 200 meters away and she looks at me eagerly when I said that. Mystery is right, protector of loved ones is really an attraction switch.

But I'm not going to call her, basically because, I dont think she takes care of herself and I really dont feel the urge to fuck her when I saw her. Just another average DC girl, who thinks her personality (minus the self grooming trait) is enough for a guy to fall madly in love with her. Also on the same note, I'm not sure she will see me again, but thats another matter which is not in my radar right now.

Things I did right - Eye contact, looking away while she is talking and eye fucking her while I'm talking.
Not drinking too much, just a beer.
Bouncing to a different place.
Looking for body language clues.
Touching immediately in the date.
Some kind of push pull like, come here give me a hug, but now dont get comfortable too much.
Trying to kiss her, even though when she made sure she dont want to kiss me.

Things to improve
Not running any of my comfort routines, may be because I was not really into her.
Trying to much to be funny, at the expense of being cocky.
Not saying, I'm leaving or some IOD when she said, I dont have to like her. She said that, when she qualified I told her, I dont like people with leadership skills to calibrate.
May be little bit more kino at the bar.
Look at her like I want to fuck her and imagine I'm making out with her.

Day game on june 14

Started day game with couple of wings, opened 5 girls in total, but no numbers.
1. Girl running to meet her bf(I dont know its true) mostly not, if thats the case, I need to work on my approach.
2. Another one visiting bf, I think this is true, because she was dressed nice and looks like want to make an impression. But we talked for a while, she is from russia and had an accent.
3. Girl with the confident walk - couldnt hook
4. Girl at the traffic signal - she was looking all around when I was talking, so I just left
5. Girl near mcPherson subway - was not able to hook, but then I turned my back towards her.

Things need to do
1. Walk a little bit more confidently
2. Hit on more girls
3. get a camera to record my approaches.

Day game on saturday

Opened 5 girls directly before opening 3 more with indirect (which didnt go anywhere) . I'm inclined to think indirect is not a good way to go about during day time.

Out of 5 girls I got 2 numbers, one I let go because she lives in virginia beach.
First girl didnt hook as she said she is working, but I'm not sure about her excuse.
Second girl hooked and she was on the phone and I told her to talk to her friend later and she complied, but then again I didnt plow, I should have and she was a real cute one.
Third girl was a cute asian, gave me an IOI but I didnt push because she lives in virginia beach. Later my wing told me I should have atleast facebook closed her, now I think its a good idea considering she has friends in DC and she visit them. Well next time.
Fourth girl a yale graduate working for McCain hooked like a claw and I got the number. But later she was looking away when I was talking so I was not sure to proceed, then I let it go, send a text but no reply as I suspected.
Fifth girl a cuty and she too hooked well, got the number and I texted her for compliance and she responded, but didnt pick the phone when I called. So I save her number will try after 2 weeks or so.

The night game was lame, I was little pissed I guess or may be its over confidence, blown out many times but I didnt care and I stood there and ask the girls to leave if they dont want to talk to me.
I'm going to go direct during the night time from now on, instead of indirect. Then get the number and do the phone game at my leisure.

A generic comeback

I'm always on the look out for a generic comeback which can be thrown in any situation if a girl say something stupid or throw a shit test in the form of an opinion or statement to for you to do something.
Example - You are creepy, that was vague, you are an asshole


If you get something like this, you say I'm Allodoxaphobic. 99% of the time the girl wont know what it is, which make them on the defensive and that's exactly where you want them. 


Then explain the word to them, the origin of the word allo is Greek (meaning different), dox is Greek (meaning opinions and phobia is Greek (meaning fear), so you sub communicate I dont care about what you think of me in a round about way, which is more powerful because you make them use their imagination to put the point across. I had two girls till now come around after using this, which I'm pretty sure I would have lost. 

Things to do on a date

Before setting a date, say to her "lets get together for a quick drink, that way if its not going good, you can have your evening free".(field tested(FT) and she is chasing me now)
Never set a first date on friday unless you are completely sure she is already chasing you.(FT, I blow up a solid 8)

Go late for about 10 minutes and dont even acknowledge it, mumble some hodgepodge if she asks, like a cat cross the road or something. (FT)
Look at her eyes and smile and dont budge until she looks away.
Dis interesting body language in the beginning (FT)
Start touching after 5 minutes first by ring routine and an iod calibrator with dont get any ideas (important) (FT)
Talk about intellectual mastery from krauser (need to FT) (shows intelligence)
Talk about NLP karate routine  (need to FT) (deep rapport)
I got arrested for drinking in public routine for preselection (this is my own)
Looking for some couch surfing opportunities
My bank account got hacked segue into I cant even pay my mortgage
Going to India in 2 weeks, did shopping for mom and dad
Cute duckies routine
3 million in lottery
Author gave me his book routine
Something about the magazine
Semi retirement
I dont like to put relationship in a box routine from mystery (no-neediness)
Talk about 50 cents and 50th law ( this hit well, field tested)
Never drink more than one drink, next get a red bull.
3 location changes (must)
qualify qualify qualify ( i need to come up with good qualification question)
Are you close with your parents and go into my business in India in the pretext of I call my parents everyday.(which is true btw) (protector of loved ones)


My new kiss close - I'm attracted to you, are you attracted to me? If she says anything but no, go in and kiss and say, "see I made it easier for you", if she says no, get up and leave. After kissing her at a later point you can ask again the same question, this allows her to rationalize her hamster (as roissy says), this is also in sync with Robert cialdini theory of influence, we humans try to be consistent with our words.

Need some routines to hit leader of men (2) and pre-selection(1)